T: …and that God created a human twice, as You have mentioned.
IM: Yes. God created a human twice. Those who really seek and truly strive for spiritual cognition (who do not just believe, to the dictation of their consciousness, in everything that is acceptable to the system, but who experience inner thirst), those, as a rule, are searching in not only one religion but wherever God is mentioned. And I think, they have more than once come across the information from other more ancient religions and from Zoroastrianism, which we have been talking about, that once people used to be incorporeal beings, they did not have flesh. They matured, became those whom, for example, they call Angels in modern religion, and went away.
T: …So they were invisible, incorporeal spirits.
IM: Indeed, today people understand the comparison with Angels, but in ancient times, associations of three-dimensionality were more clear to people, for example, related to the local plants, animals or something else, meaning what they saw and perceived in everyday life. If we consider, for example, that same Zoroastrianism, then the image of the first people – a man and a woman, I emphasize, as a single invisible being, was associatively compared to a noble rhubarb. This is the plant which grew in those places where the Teaching itself originated. It is a two-meter plant, the trunk of which is similar to two intertwined snakes. Well, you have often seen this symbol…
T: Yes, this symbol in the form of two intertwined snakes (caduceus) was often used in ancient times in different cultures as a symbol of birth, consent, universal movement, as a symbol of harmony of two principles in a human: yin and yang. Previously it was used as an attribute of gods, on the staffs of priests. And today caduceus is known as one of the symbols of medicine.
IM: Yes. But there is one important point here which I would like to mention. Why was this comparison given and why the entwinement of the male and female principles? It is now, in matter, that we have a man and a woman. However, the first people were asexual just like an Angel. An Angel does not have flesh. An Angel does not have gender. And this should be understood. Previously, this, let us say, male and female principle – it was merged in one being. That is why it was said that first people were like a rhubarb plant, this means, a man and a woman were a single intertwined creature, and farr of Ahura Mazda… meaning, farr of God stretched above them, that is, they were in God’s Love… By the way, the first gods of ancient Chinese pantheon – Fuxi and Nüwa were depicted the same way…
T: … of whom there is a mention in the book “AllatRa”.
IM: Yes. And by choice, it was precisely by the human choice, what did God do? He made them material.
T: … As it is said in the legends of Zoroastrianism, “they both transformed from the floral image to the human image, and farr, as a Spirit, entered them”…
IM: …as a Spirit. Again, they transformed from one image into another. However, the main essence of them was not in images but in the spiritual core, meaning, in their spiritual component. However, here we already see and read the echoes of consciousness. Anyway, what is being told nowadays (a comparison with rhubarb and the like) was a simple comparison…
But again, in more ancient teaching it is said that after they acquired matter, they still remained their essence. That is, there were no men and women at the first, initial stage. This is also interesting. And so, as I said at the beginning, male and female principle were merged into one being.
T: That is, such a phenomenon as the androgyny of the first human was inherent, meaning unity, a combination of male and female gender in one person… Such a hermaphroditism, meaning, the ability to fertilize, when both egg cells and spermatozoa develop in one organism, that is, both one type of germ cells and the other. This phenomenon is also common for the animal world.
IM: Yes, the analogy is preserved.
T: It is very interesting, in the Bible, in chapter 5 of the Book of Genesis, it is exactly mentioned that God has created human: a man and a woman, and gave them the name: “human”. And further, it says that Adam gave birth to a son. And it is now that we mistakenly think, based on translations, that Adam is a man. However, in reality, in the language of the original, when this word is used without an article, then it does not represent a proper noun, well, as a male name, but serves only as a designation of a human in general, meaning, it is applicable equally to both man and woman.
IM: This is a significant moment… Later on, God has nevertheless approved such a gender difference, and people were divided into men and women in order for people to have, let’s say… Well, let’s say it straight, in order to complicate the path Home.
Why is this done? Again, for some, a misunderstanding will arise in the consciousness: “Why should the path Home be more complicated? After all, God, on the contrary, should protect his children.” I will answer with an analogy of three-dimensionality: we do send our children to study. And we care that our children do not simply finish school, but also acquire some profession, achieve something in life, that they become good people, at least, in our understanding. Everyone has their own understanding of what a good person is. Well, so that they become good people, find themselves in life. It’s not quite like that, but approximately.
And again, all this was upon the request of those same people. Because the first people, according to Zoroastrianism – they themselves asked for flesh so that it would be possible to overcome certain difficulties, to deservedly reach God’s Love. Well, it is exactly that which created obstacles. And it is that, which served as a reason for the creation of the material world, the creation of flesh. Then there was a final division of this flesh into man and woman. Well, and then the substitutions of the concept of True Love with human love started.
And human love, as we know, it is temporary. A simple example of how consciousness plays with people. Well, there is love between a man and a woman. Here, they love each other, but think about others and desire others. Is this love? Well, of course not. So this is the way it has all started.
But all this creates certain difficulties and gives a certain tool to the consciousness. Since a body appeared – consciousness appeared. Since bodies were divided, so a bigger concern of the consciousness about “its” other “half” appeared. Well, again, is it really “its”? There appeared a myth that “it’s necessary to find one’s other half”, that “it definitely exists” and so on. And so “rhubarb” is running around and searching for its second part.
It’s interesting, of course. Generally, legends are not all empty; there is much meaning in them. One simply needs to know how to understand them.
Zh: Yes, it’s very interesting, also taking into account what You have told us earlier: that there are more powers of Allat in a woman, but she is less stable, and a man is more stable, but there are fewer powers of Allat in him when compared to a woman. Here, of course, the question is not in who has more or less of what. These competitions in thoughts – these are the games from the consciousness. In reality, everyone has enough of everything, if one invests one’s attention rationally. And the question here is in something different – where are you redirecting these powers of Allat with your attention? What are you multiplying in yourself: death or Life?
T: Yes, this is indeed interesting. And you know, now you understand more deeply how your own consciousness, to a large extent, complicates your own life. How consciousness evokes a multitude of consumeristic, negative thoughts, of quarrels between people, between man and woman, and why, in general, there are no true, deepest feelings in the relationships between them. You understand how consciousness entices and perplexes women with the external, directing away the power of their attention from true Love, from true Source, which lies within them. How the consciousness plunges them into its lies, into its artifice, into deception, into the hoarding of dust, into some kind of false goals and simply makes them waste life on these same illusions.
Because, if we take a look, what does a woman live by in her thoughts? What does she waste her life on? On magic: on a search of the external love, on its loss and return, on enmity, sorcery. Meaning, nothing but magic.
And men? They do thirst for Love. But even here, consciousness, once again, turns everything upside down, to its own benefit, for itself, imposes on you this game in three-dimensionality, the result of which is emptiness and disappointment in everything. And here consciousness drives men to an unsatisfied egoism, into envy, into constant competition in a chase for importance, into deciding who is stronger, who is cooler, who is richer. And, as an end result, what does all this lead to? To aggression, wars, sufferings. And their consciousness deals with women the same way. It simply imposes on them the thought that they should possess a woman as a thing, meaning, not love, not be in harmony with her, but exactly possess as a thing. That is, an enslavement of the divine nature by the consciousness…
And here you understand that before you lived only like that, according to the dictation of the consciousness, that you constantly demanded something from the others for yourself. But here already another question arises: “Was it indeed for yourself?” And you suffered from it yourself. You did not know about this inner, God’s Love and you did not cultivate it in yourself.